[DONE 9/28] Action item: Stephen Farrell to look at the SSR Web site to
evaluate if co-locating with the IRTF seems logical.
Action item: Melinda Shore to review draft-irtf-nwcrg-nwc-ccn-reqs
for IRSG Review.
Action item: Lars Eggert to re-review draft-irtf-icnrg-icn-lte for
IRSG Review.
Action item: Marie-José Montpetit to review draft-irtf-qirg-principles
for IRSG Review.
Action item: Dirk Kutscher and Dave Oran to coordinate with Cindy Morgan
of the IETF Secretariat to select a date and time for the ICNRG review with
the IAB [December 2021 - IAB meeting dates available: December 8 or
December 15 at 14:00UTC].
Action item: Colin Perkins to publish the Policy on Inclusive
Language in IRTF RFCs on the IRTF Web site.
Action item: The IRSG to review the IRTF Notewell slides and
suggest changes if necessary [https://irtf.org/policies/note-well.html].
Action item: Amy Vezza to create and circulate a subscribable calendar
for the IRSG.
INTERNET RESEARCH STEERING GROUP (IRSG)
Minutes of the September 28, 2021 IRSG Teleconference
Reported by: Amy Vezza, IETF Secretariat
Corrections from:
Present:
Carsten Bormann, T2TRG Chair
Spencer Dawkins, At-Large Member
Lars Eggert, At-Large Member
Stephen Farrell, At-Large Member
Ari Keränen, T2TRG Chair
Marie-José Montpetit, COINRG & NWCRG Chair
Dave Oran, ICNRG Chair
Colin Perkins, IRTF Chair
Eve Schooler, COINRG Chair
Melinda Shore, At-Large Member
Brian Trammell, PANRG Chair
Rod van Meter, QIRG Chair
Amy Vezza, IETF Secretariat
Regrets:
Laurent Ciavaglia, NMRG Chair
Jane Coffin, GAIA Chair
Sara Dickinson, PEARG Chair
Aaron Falk, At-Large Member
Mat Ford, At-Large Member
Jérôme François, NMRG Chair
Jeffrey He, COINRG Chair
Jana Iyengar, ICCRG Chair
Wojciech Kozlowski, QIRG Chair
Mallory Knodel, HRPC Chair
Mirja Kühlewind, MAPRG Chair
Dirk Kutscher, DINRG & ICNRG Chair
Jen Linkova, PANRG Chair
Allison Mankin, At-Large Member
Alexey Melnikov, CFRG Chair
Leandro Navarro, GAIA Chair
Dave Plonka, MAPRG Chair
Vincent Roca, NWCRG Chair
Shivan Sahib, PEARG Chair
Stanislav Smyshlyaev, CFRG Chair
Nick Sullivan, CFRG Chair
Christopher Wood, PEARG Chair
Lixia Zhang, DINRG Chair
Colin Perkins introduced Amy Vezza from the IETF Secretariat and
mentioned she will be supporting the IRTF and IRSG.
* Minutes from previous call
* How to proceed with IRSG administration?
There was a brief discussion over the creation of a shared IRSG
Jabber or Slack channel, and the IRSG reaffirmed the decision to
wait until the all-IETF solution (Zulip) was implemented.
Carsten Bormann started a shared meeting note on Hedgedoc
[https://notes.ietf.org/notes-irsg-2021-09-28#].
Colin Perkins talked about having a monthly IRSG meeting to
focus on review of document status, how the research groups are
working, the ANRP, and the ANRW.
Spencer Dawkins requested a shared calendar.
* IRSG calendar
draft-irtf-icnrg-icnlowpan was updated during IANA review based
on comments from the Designated Expert for the use of a
different code point. It was not a technical update, but the
format changed in the document.
* In IESG conflict review
* draft-irtf-cfrg-hpke-12
Waiting on the conflict review from the IESG [Roman Danyliw].
* In IRSG Final Poll
* draft-irtf-icnrg-nrsarch-considerations-06
Poll has concluded, waiting on a revision.
* draft-irtf-panrg-questions
Poll has concluded, waiting on a revision.
* In IRSG review:
* draft-irtf-cfrg-spake2-23
Ready for IRSG final poll. The chairs confirmed it was ready in
email, so look for that soon.
* draft-irtf-icnrg-icn-lte-4g
Document sent back to research group after final poll with
significant concerns from Lars, Shivan, and Mirja. The document
was revised to address comments; Shivan sent feedback, still
waiting on review from Lars as it was a significant revision.
Lars Eggert noted that his concern was more if the 3GPP would be
surprised on publication.
Colin Perkins replied that the document was on a set of
experiments that could be done, but should not make any change
to 3GPP. He requested Lars to re-review and comment if the new
text made that clear enough.
* draft-irtf-nwcrg-nwc-ccn-reqs-06
Dave Oran reviewed, but Colin Perkins noted it needs an
additional review from a neutral party. Melinda Shore
volunteered to review it.
* draft-irtf-qirg-principles
Marie-José Montpetit volunteered to review the document. Colin
Perkins additionally asked Nick Sullivan to review as well and
is waiting on reply.
Marie-José noted that she had looked at the document briefly and
had some initial comments. She expects to have a more in depth
review soon.
* draft-irtf-pearg-numeric-ids-generation-07
Vincent Roca reviewed the document and a revision is needed.
* draft-irtf-pearg-numeric-ids-history-08
Vincent Roca reviewed the document and a revision is needed.
* In IRTF Chair Review
* draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions
Colin Perkins is in discussion with the authors.
* draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-intent-classification
Colin Perkins is in discussion with the authors.
* draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines-10
* draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion
Colin Perkins asked if these two documents were ready for him to
review. Marie-José Montpetit confirmed they were ready.
Marie-José Montpetit said that COINRG was progressing their
documents with a series of side meetings. For NWCRG, she said
that the Tetrys proponents have reappeared after several years
of inactivity. They have requested to publish their document
[draft-detchart-nwcrg-tetrys] as an informational RFC. Marie-
José noted that NWCRG was very close to concluding, and she
wasn't sure the Tetrys proponents would follow through the
publication path in a timely manner. She noted they have
implementations, the work is solid, and the code works. Marie-
José also noted that similar to BATS, they could help the Tetrys
work.
Colin Perkins said if the work fits in NWCRG, and they could
adhere to a strict timeline for the publication it would be fine
to move forward. He asked if the work would be better moving to
the IETF Transport Area.
Marie-José agreed it might fit well in FECFRAME. Additionally
she could ask TSVWG to look at the document.
Colin agreed that seemed reasonable.
Marie-José said she would present both options to the Tetrys
proponents.
Colin Perkins mentioned that the PANRG was reviewed by the IAB
on September 22 and that the research group chairs should review
the current PANRG charter and revise it if necessary. Brian
Trammell agreed.
Spencer Dawkins noted that he attended the review as an IAB
meeting observer and found it very useful as a member of the
research group. He suggested more IRSG and research group
interested parties join the calls when a research group was
being reviewed.
Colin mentioned that the next research group to be reviewed was
the ICNRG and they were looking to schedule the meeting in
December 2021. Dave Oran mentioned that they should have that
scheduled soon.
Colin Perkins is looking for new co-chairs for HRPC. He would
ideally like one from civil society, one from academia, and one
from industry to balance the needs of the group.
Colin Perkins mentioned that the winners for IETF 112 were
known, and the announcement would be sent soon. He also noted
that they were beginning to plan the ANRP for 2022.
* ANRW
* CSP to work with SIGOMM to select new SC members
* CSP to invite one of previous TPC chairs to join SC
* CSP to start planning for ANRW 2022
Colin Perkins briefly talked about ANRW, and that planning for
the ANRW for summer 2022 was just beginning.
Colin Perkins asked if any one objected to publishing the
current text for the policy on inclusive language in the IRTF
RFCs. There was no objection.
Action item: Colin Perkins to publish the Policy on Inclusive
Language in IRTF RFCs on the IRTF Web site.
Colin Perkins requested additional reviews for the current text
on "Diversity and Inclusion in the IRTF." He noted the next step
would be to have Jay Daley and IETF legal review the text.
Stephen Farrell said that if the logistics of co-locating with
SSR were easy it may make sense. Stephen indicated he would look
at the SSR site to see if the work would fit with the IRTF and
make a recommendation to the IRSG.
Melinda Shore mentioned she thought it looked reasonable, but
has an open question on whether there was overlap between the
SSR and crypto standardization work.
Colin noted there were no objections, but meeting logistics
would have to be worked out [possible future dates November
2022].
[https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/irsg/aAW9_DngfikGS4q1f6f-
4OSlapM]
* Do we require clarifications to the IRTF IPR policy?
* What needs to change in the GitHub CONTRIBUTING.md
template?
Spencer Dawkins said that the IRTF statement only talks about
BCP 79, and not BCP 79 or the Trust agreement, but the IRTF
statement references the IETF statement which does reference
both BCP 79 and the Trust agreement. This may or may not be an
issue with the GitHub CONTRIBUTING.md file for IRTF
repositories.
Lars Eggert noted that there is LICENSE.md for the IETF that
screen scrapes from the Trust site, so whatever the Trust says
will be mirrored. Lars added he has a ticket open so the
suggested CONTRIBUTING.md file will pull information from the
Trust site in the future.
Spencer noted that the IRTF includes additional information to
what is in the IETF Note well.
Colin Perkins said he thinks the IETF Note well and the IRTF
Note well should be consistent with each other, but one has
changed over time.
Lars added that the Secretariat has posted multiple forms of the
IETF Note well to the web site (markdown, power point, PDF, ODP).
Colin said the IRSG should make sure the IRTF Web site has the
correct version of the IRTF Note well, and make sure the template
slides are correct.
Action item: The IRSG to review the IRTF Note well slides and
suggest changes if necessary. [https://irtf.org/policies/note-
well.html]
Marie-José Montpetit asked to speak with Colin Perkins about the
Satellite Internet subject that is being discussed. Colin
suggested planning a session at IETF 113 similar to an IETF
Technology Deep Dive to discuss what work has been done on the
subject.
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